Nmissi ([info]nmissi) wrote,
@ 2008-09-12 10:39:00
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An Open Letter


I've been too kind; after the ugliness of the last election I took to locking my political posts to more reasonable people. As of today, that is over. I've bitten my tongue and taken about as much as I can. In the last week, my friendslist has been awash in insult and hatred. You don't like me anymore? You don't think I'm smart enough to vote? Defriend me, and I'll happily return the favor. I am sick and tired of being called stupid, evil, and unwomanly, just because I do not agree with you. I' m even more tired of seeing the same LIES repeated over and over, ad nauseum. At this point, I can't say that you don't know any better, that you're misinformed, that you're just scared. It's starting to look like a deliberate campaign of misinformation and propaganda. And no, I don't lay the blame at Obama's feet. I don't support his campaign, but even he seems disgusted by the depths to which his supporters have sunk in attacking this woman.

Item 1: Sarah Palin is both feminist and pro-life. These positions are not incompatible, indeed, if you believe in equal rights for all women, then that should extend to support the rights of all women to be born in the first place. Feminism is not a single issue position, and it should not be defined by one's willingness to kill.

Item 2: Sarah Palin is not a creationist, and she never tried to put Intelligent Design in public schools. She DID say that academic debate and discussion of the issue was healthy for students, a position I personally think no reasonable individual can disagree with.

Item 3: Sarah Palin accepts that climate change is happening, but questions whether that change is anthropogenic in nature. This position is shared by many reputable scientists in the field. On this subject, she and McCain have "agreed to disagree" in a perfectly civil fashion.

Item 4: She did not try to take sex-ed out of the public schools. She does not support extremely explicit sex ed programs, but neither is she an 'abstinence only' education supporter.

Item 5: Sarah Palin never tried to ban any books. She did fire a librarian as part of a widespread replacement of officials from the administration before her. She also rehired said librarian the following day. As to the book banning, she asked the librarian, theoretically, how she would react if asked to ban books. From this exchange it is impossible to determine that she wanted to ban anything; it is equally as likely she was attempting to ascertain whether the woman was fit to do her job.

Item 6: She owns guns, and she hunts. She supports the rights of people to defend themselves against dangerous predators. If this offends you, so be it. I suggest you move to Alaska and make friends with the bears and the wolves.

Item 7: She does not hate gay people. She supports traditional marriage, but she also vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to same sex partners of government employees. From this I would ascertain that she is willing to fight on the side of the constitution, even when it conflicts with her religious beliefs.

Item 8: She never told her church that her son was involved in a holy war. She cited Abraham Lincoln in that we should not hope that God is on OUR side, but rather we should strive to always be on GOD'S side. Gibson claimed he cited her "exact words" in his spurious quotation. They were anything but, as she tried to tell him.

In other news, her children are all hers, biologically, and she apparently loves them all and views none as a burden. She didn't have an affair with her husband's business partner, she's not forcing her daughter to give birth or marry, the trooper she had fired was fired for cause, she supports drilling for our own oil, and funding for new energy technologies, and the Bush Doctrine is a compendium of policies and thus she was right to ask Gibson to which one he referred.

So far, I've seen one legitimate complaint against Palin, and that is that she has no foreign policy experience. The same may be said of many Presidents and Vice-Presidents past. It may also be said of Barack Obama. Considering the only way to acquire said experience is by becoming part of the entrenched Washington elite, I don't think that a lack of it should preclude any candidate from consideration.


In short? I agree with nearly all of her positions; she is more in line with my views than McCain is. She enables me to vote for him with a clear conscience and unbridled enthusiasm. I am not only happy about his choice of running mate, I am ecstatic, and very proud to support their campaign.


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[info]rolypoly_laurie
2008-09-12 02:56 pm UTC (link)
:) You go...it's ridiculous the lies that can get started and just keep getting bigger and bigger. :(

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-12 03:03 pm UTC (link)
They do, don't they? It's like a snowball. It starts with a small lie, or a twist of what was said, and suddenly "the facts" being reported are 180 degrees away from what really occurred.

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[info]iposty
2008-09-12 03:32 pm UTC (link)
lol.. great icon

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(no subject) - [info]rolypoly_laurie, 2008-09-12 05:05 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]mommanerd
2008-09-12 03:16 pm UTC (link)
You rawk!!!

I am sick and tired of being called stupid, evil, and unwomanly, just because I do not agree with you.

You forgot "Ass Hat". That's my personal favorite. I might even have to get a T-shirt.

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-12 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Ass Hat? I hadn't seen that one yet. Brainless and evil are my personal faves. Yes, I aspire to being called evil, now. Bwa ha ha ha! (Working on my supervillain laugh as we speak!)

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(no subject) - [info]hollywdliz, 2008-09-13 11:53 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-13 01:34 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]iposty
2008-09-12 03:31 pm UTC (link)
checking facts is hard..

Obama is clearly running a campaign of disinformation - whether he's in charge or the nutroots are..

A rebuttal never has the same audience, or impact, of the original statement. (that's why congress lets senators change their votes.. the public hears so and so voted for/against this - then later they change their vote..) It happens in the news all the time. Even if a retraction is issued/printed, it never has the shock value of the initial story.

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[info]sp23
2008-09-12 03:32 pm UTC (link)
I'm listening to KABC (Los Angeles) on the web and the commentator is really tearing Charlie Gibson a new one for his condescending interview of Sarah Palin. As he said, "Take those glasses off the end of your nose because you're literally as well as figuratively looking down your nose as her."

I also loved what he just said about the "have you met any heads of state", and Doug said, "I've met three heads of state. Does that qualify me to be president?"

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-12 03:36 pm UTC (link)
Charlie really disappointed me last night. He was so arrogant and snide, visibly talking down to her. As a woman, I was offended on her behalf. And yes, if he'd done that to Hillary I'd have been equally outraged, it was so damn paternalistic.

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[info]nutmeg3
2008-09-12 04:26 pm UTC (link)
You and I already know we disagree politically, and I'm cool with that. And I also believe both sides are being disingenuous (I'm being kind to both of them with my word choice) about the other and recommend factcheck. org to everyone. But I do have to disagree with your point re: feminism.

Feminism has traditionally been about rights and choices for women. Palin may be a woman and she may be strong, but she wants to deny other women - no matter what the circumstances of their pregnancy - the right to make a decision about that pregnancy. Erego, she is not a feminist, because feminism has come to mean a very specific political-social stance, and that meaning can't be changed and reinterpreted at will, nor can it be co-opted by a group whose views are antithetical to the origination of the movement just because they feel control of the term will be beneficial. Not all women - not even all strong women - are feminists simply by dint of being women, and some men are feminists, even though their physiology is anything but female.

Feminists don't force abortion on anyone, but neither do they deny that option. They stand for the right to choose. Ironically, as a feminist and a liberal, I may not like Palin but I fully defend her right to all her beliefs, just not her right to impose them on anyone else. Someone who denies that right to choose, no matter what their gender, simply isn't by definition a feminist, though they may be empowered, fulfilled, strong and many other positive things.

And I apologize for the length of this comment, but I think discourse and the facts are the only thing that can pull this country together, and no matter who wins, I really want to see the us vs. them mentality go away, not grow stronger.

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(Anonymous)
2008-09-12 04:42 pm UTC (link)
You are feeding the Us Vs Them mentality, by insisting that neither Palin, nor myself, can claim the mantle of feminism, because we believe abortion to be wrong.

What does it mean to be a feminist? Wherein lies its origin? I am a feminist in the tradition of Mary Wollstonecraft, Susan B. Anthony, and the generations of my foremothers who bore their babies on their hip to stand in protest against the disenfranchisement of their daughters and granddaughters. To pro-life feminists, the movement has been corrupted by radicals obsessed with killing our sisters and brothers in the womb. We are not willing to accept your definition of what it means to be a woman.

Every movement has had its mistakes. "States' Rights" was once associated with the right to own human beings like chattel. We are now rightly horrified by such an association, and supporters of States' Rights would never now endorse such a platform. I believe that one day, the relationship between the rights of women, and the mass murder of babies, will be equally repugnant in memory.

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(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-12 04:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nutmeg3, 2008-09-12 05:08 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-12 05:35 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nutmeg3, 2008-09-12 05:47 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-12 06:11 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]carlalute, 2008-09-12 10:37 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sabrinanymph, 2008-09-13 09:24 am UTC (Expand)

[info]tbosky
2008-09-12 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Item 5: Nicely summarized. As a librarian, I am so sick of this issue -- especially since there are so many sites which explain the situation. I wish everyone's e-mail would go through a Snopes-filter.

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-12 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Praise be to Snopes! I think he's some sort of saint of the digital realm. ;)

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Well said!
[info]cyndisuesue
2008-09-12 04:59 pm UTC (link)
I simply do not have the time now to compose such a list refuting all of the "smear" out there. Thank you so much for typing this all out and putting it out there for so many of us like-minded women!

*And no, I don't lay the blame at Obama's feet. I don't support his campaign, but even he seems disgusted by the depths to which his supporters have sunk in attacking this woman. **

Thanks for saying this too! I can see clear signs that show that he does realize that all of the ultra left hate is COSTING him votes.

Oh how I wish all of these infuriated people would leave her children alone and concentrate where it really matters: the issues at stake in this election.

I'll add here to your montage, that her son did not deface school buses, and as his punishment, join the military.

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Re: Well said!
[info]nmissi
2008-09-12 05:11 pm UTC (link)
They're claiming that Track defaced school buses so she shipped him out to war? Wth? If you've got a link, gimme, this one I hafta read.

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Re: Well said! - [info]cyndisuesue, 2008-09-12 05:15 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]millysdaughter
2008-09-12 05:58 pm UTC (link)
If people even checked HALF of these things before forwarding an email to everybody in their address book, the world would be a much better place.

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[info]wisemack
2008-09-12 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for speaking up.

I usually avoid any political comment like the plague, but I just have to say that I am so very very tired of... well, let's call it the "state of disagreement" (about which I've been bitching for years now). As usual, it's no longer a matter of "I think I'm right and you think you're right and let's either discuss/argue - or just agree to disagree." For far too long the mantra has been "I'm right and [because you disagree with me] you are EEEEEEVIL!" and that is most emphatically NOT the way political discourse is suppose to work. At least not the way I was taught back in the Dark Ages.

*sigh*

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[info]reality_hammer
2008-09-12 07:10 pm UTC (link)
This!

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[info]evilbearhunter
2008-09-12 07:55 pm UTC (link)
Clearly, I disagree with you (including some of the things you said in this post), but I'm sure it must be deeply frustrating to see a candidate you care about and believe in derided incorrectly and on frivolous issues. I think that all this stuff has a clear parallel to "ZOMG Obama's a secret Muslim!!1!" type stuff -- also clearly stupid, also deeply frustrating. It's important to note that neither side has a monopoly on smear and idiocy. (Not to imply in the least that you play into that false trashing of liberals.)

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[info]hollywdliz
2008-09-12 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Bitca, you beat me to it. I was going to say, "Gee, now you sort of know how Obamanites have felt for the past YEAR AND A HALF."

Missi, please note that I have not said anything about this election on my flist for the past eight months and have no more interest in seeing your thoughts than you do in seeing mine, so this pro-choice feminist (OMG I LOVE TO KILL TEH BBS) politely requests to be excluded from whatever political posts you make in the future if, as you seem to imply, you will be making them to everyone on your list. I frankly don't want to know. I have enough frustration in my life. For the exact same reason, I have taken to inventing an excuse to end the conversation whenever my dad tries to draw me into a political debate -- because I love him and I don't want to go there.

Scotty for pope!

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(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-12 09:06 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]carlalute, 2008-09-12 10:46 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]jainamsolo, 2008-09-12 11:26 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-13 04:59 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]tomte
2008-09-12 09:52 pm UTC (link)
I think it is important to make your stance clear on the issues, even when you fear a certain amount of backlash from those who disagree strongly with your opinions. If you don't, your silence implies either consent or a simple lack of interest in politics.

I know it's hard sometimes. As a conservative in a moderate-to-liberal family, I've been strongly encouraged not to say anything about what I think because it's likely to start an all-out family war--and it's only worse in venues on the Internet, where it's easy to forget there are real human beings behind the aliases.

The thing is, if we as conservatives or libertarians don't state our political thoughts as clearly and unequivocally as we would stand up for anything else that we cherish, we have a tendency to become invisible. And it becomes very confusing to the media and other pundits when this silent, invisible group of people votes in large numbers for the very people they have been taking such pains to--at least in Sarah Palin's case--demonize. They assume there must have been some mistake--perhaps voter fraud, because after all, "nobody I know voted for [her]." And I don't think that's right.

We need to speak up, if for no other reason than to assure the people around us that we are the human face and voice of a group too often thought of as simply "the enemy." That we don't deserve to be demonized either. That we are just as human as they, that our thoughts and conclusions are just as valid as theirs. Let them discover, to paraphrase Walt Kelly, that they have met "the enemy" and she is ME.

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-13 05:04 am UTC (link)
I was just discussing this with a friend earlier; she said that from the tenor of some of the columns she got the impression that these folks had never met an actual evangelical before, because they were so shocked when the evangelicals didn't stick a scarlet letter on Bristol Palin. I concurred. I'm starting to think that some of the folks in big blue states who are so deathly afraid of "Republicans" honestly might not know any, or at least, might not be aware that they know any.

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(no subject) - [info]tomte, 2008-09-15 09:26 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]wookiee99
2008-09-12 09:54 pm UTC (link)
To those who don't consider Palin a feminist, let me refer you to an amazing article by Camille Paglia which she wrote last week for Salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/

Yes, Paglia, a staunch feminist and supporter of Obama, thinks Palin is a feminist.

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-13 05:05 am UTC (link)
I have this grudging respect for Paglia. We're a million miles apart on the issues, but she makes her case so clearly, and can justify each and every one of her positions so artfully, that I cannot help liking her. Thank you for the link, it was fascinating reading.

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[info]raykel
2008-09-12 09:59 pm UTC (link)
While I have HUGE issues with Palin, a hearty "hear hear" to the "PLEASE check facts before forwarding stupid rumors" rant. If I had a dime for every stupid, nonsensical e-mail I've gotten about Obama that took me all of thirty seconds of Google searching to debunk, I'd have enough money to by the presidency for myself. ;)

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-13 05:07 am UTC (link)
Now why is nobody sending me these emails? Kel, you need to hit the forward button; I need the laughs. They'd make a good break from the viagra and porn ads. I'll trade you for "Bush is the antichrist" emails, is it a deal?

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[info]zotel
2008-09-12 10:55 pm UTC (link)
I personally limit most of my commentary to Republican forums, simply to avoid it. I feel like it musta been to sit in the back of the bus to an extent. You know what happens to those uppity republicans/Christians. They get flamed, abused, trolled - which is why I don't put more than a simple flag or yellow ribbon on my car. If people get that nutty online, I can't afford to fix my car if it gets trashed.

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[info]nmissi
2008-09-13 05:08 am UTC (link)
I'm afraid to get McCain signs after what happened to my Bush ones. :(

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[info]pfeifferpack
2008-09-13 03:36 am UTC (link)
This is a plague on both sides and an ugly one. It is easy to fact check and one should. It is one thing to disagree on issues or candidates and another to spread nonsense and lies (or worse). There is enough just presenting plans, platforms and issues for choice to be made without this. I was pleased with the seperate long interviews with McCain and Obama that aired yesterday...both civil and respectful laying out issues. That is what it should be.

On the "other side" I keep getting the same bloody e-mails telling me that Obama is the Antichrist (literally) and supposedly quoting the bible to "prove" it. Now that is the one area, Escatology (study of end times things) that I have spent over 30 years of study and some of the "bible quotes" are from Nostrodomus about the "third antichrist" being a King of Persia...the ONLY thing that MIGHT reflect Islam. LOL. The whole Muslim thing needs a stake in it too. Be against him for issues if you wish but not craziness just like with McCain and Palin...disagree on issues not lies!

Kathleen

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[info]tomte
2008-09-13 04:35 am UTC (link)
I am so with you on this. I may not agree with Senator Obama's point of view, but I believe he is a basically honorable man who should not be made a target of slander and defamation. The discussion at this point ought to be focused on the issues and the merit of the various positions held by candidates, not on wild rumor and innuendo. Frankly, we waste precious time having to dispel these rumors--time that could be much better spent preparing ourselves to vote in an educated, responsible fashion.

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(no subject) - [info]nmissi, 2008-09-13 05:12 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]sabrinanymph
2008-09-13 09:39 am UTC (link)
My Father has sent me an Obama email or two - his dial-up impedes his interest in checking Snopes and while I understand it still is a bit *headdesk* - if I get any more, I shall send them your way.

Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you.

I wrote about Item 5 in my LJ a bit ago, although I think it was flocked and I can't remember if you were on it or not.

Mostly I get sick of the TONE. And honestly, while I sometimes think petty things, when I'm online I really do try to stick to issues.

The other day I stumbled across Libertarians for Life, which fascinated me a lot, and your discussions re: feminism above made me think about it because as I identify fairly strongly Libertarian in a lot of ways, abortion was one area I didn't - and this site had some interesting points.

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